How the Forever Talent Calculator works
Nine classes, three trees each, read from the game's own tables. No transcript, no video, no typing.
Where the trees come from
The World of Warcraft: Forever beta client carries its talent trees in the modern trait tables the retail game uses: which tree a node sits in and where, how many ranks it has, one spell per talent, a curve that gives each rank its numbers, the arrows between talents, and each tooltip as a template. The old Classic talent table is still in the client but it is a stale copy of Classic Era's; the game does not read it, and neither do we. wago.tools publishes every build's tables, and a script of ours reads them and fills every tooltip from the game's own numbers, rank by rank from the curve. The page footer names the build.
Nothing here is typed by hand. A tooltip our script cannot fill does not ship: the file is refused until it can. The page footer names the client build the trees were read from.
The rules the calculator enforces
- One talent point a level from 10 to 60: 51 points.
- A tree's next row opens at five points in that tree.
- A talent that names a prerequisite needs it at the stated rank.
- A point comes back only when nothing above it still needs it.
Checking our work
After each export we compare every tooltip against the transcript of the game published by talentsforever.com under CC BY 4.0, and a human looks at every difference before the file ships. Their transcript is never our source; it is an answer key, which is what that licence is for. For build 1.60.1.69977, 1,286 of 1,322 tooltips match it word for word; the rest are numbers that depend on the character reading them (we print them at level 60), a decimal the game keeps, and one talent, Riposte, whose template names a spell no table carries and which reads "an unknown duration" until Blizzard's tables do.
What Simulate does
Under the trees is a Simulate button, and behind it is a real combat simulator: our own pinned fork of the community World of Warcraft: Forever simulator, tag pin-2026-09-24, commit 36cdc2d33842cd32a9587645f04dad8c0953be53, whose item database we extended with Forever's own gear from the official wowsims/forever project. We build it from source, run it on our own servers, and every request names Forever's ruleset out loud — a request that leaves it out is simulated under Classic's rules instead and comes back roughly 16% high, with no error to tell you.
The gear is the engine's own launch kit: a plausible kit for launch, not a best-in-slot list. That is the fork's own description of it and it is the honest one — nobody has raided this game, whose raids open on 9 December 2026. Any piece can be swapped from the fold under the panel, and the search offers only items the engine can price, because a piece it does not know simulates as nothing at all. Then two runs on that same gear, 1,000 iterations each: the points you have set, and the engine's published build for the spec. The gap between the two tiles is the talents and nothing else.
What is not here, and what the number is. There are no best-in-slot lists for Forever, no armory to read a character's worn gear from and no public logs, so the launch kit is the panel's one gear door rather than three doors with two of them empty. And the figure is a simulator's reading of a beta: the client is still changing under it, and a simulator is a model of the game, not the game. verify under the tiles opens the two figures and downloads what each run was made of — ruleset, gear, talents, buffs — in the simulator’s own import format, so you can see what went in rather than take our word for it. The engine itself is our pinned build of the community fork named above; it has no public page.
Sharing a build
The build is in the address. Copy it and the link reopens the same points; an old link against newer trees keeps whatever is still legal and drops the rest.
Ads, and what they pay for
There are two ad slots: one in the side rail on wide screens, one below the results. They are never put between a raider and their data, they hold their space so nothing jumps under your cursor, and the side one disappears on narrow screens rather than squashing the table. All of that describes what happens once an ad unit is approved. None is, so today neither slot is filled and neither one takes up any space at all.
They pay the bills. Running this site costs real money. There is no paywall and no account, and nothing about the audit changes depending on whether an ad loads — block them and the tool works exactly the same.
Credit where it is due
Game data and item art come from Blizzard Entertainment's official Game Data API. No best-in-slot source and no combat simulator exist for Forever: its raids open on 9 December 2026.
World of Warcraft: Forever is a trademark of Blizzard Entertainment. This site is not affiliated with or endorsed by Blizzard.
Privacy
No account and no user database; the server keeps one line per request for 14 days, plus a cache of the public Warcraft Logs responses it fetches. The privacy page spells out exactly what is recorded and what is not.